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04 March 2010 @ 01:17 am
From the Non-Fan perspective  
Can I just say that I'm completely and utterly appalled by so-called Hottests? As the title implies, I'm not a 2PM fan. I love their music, and they're interesting, but I never found myself loving them as I do with SS501, or DBSK. What I've been hearing and seeing, however...

How can you blame six people who have been working their asses off to pave the way for Jae's return? They have been doing everything in their collective power to please their fans while feeling the distinct loss of their leader and friend over something said in the heat of the moment while he was a scared teenager. I challenge someone to tell me that they've never said something that they wished to God they could take back. I know I have.

Imagine the shock they felt knowing that he would not be returning as they had all hoped and planned. I haven't listened to the press conference, or heard many of the rumors, but to take things they say in all honesty and take and twist them out of context is just...I mean, they were nothing but polite and tolerated the rudeness and in some cases hatred thrown at them with a level of maturity that I, at 29 years old, would be unable to achieve.

And to further add insult to injury, you release photos and manipulate the situations to turn more people against them. So what if they're seen out with girls? They're healthy twenty something year old guys. Are they only allowed to spend time with each other? No members of the opposite sex? I'm pretty sure you all have friends of both genders, right? I'm talking to a good friend of mine right now who's a guy. Does that make me a poor role model for my friends who look up to me? Should they be ashamed of me and be allowed to tarnish my name over it?

Yes, I'm sure JYP could have handled things better regarding the release of information and Jaebum himself could have said something, but hindsight is always 20/20, right? He fucked up. It happens. While we don't know what he did, it was Jaebum who did it in the end, not Taecyeon, or Junho. Not Wooyoung or Junsu, either. Nichkhun and Chansung are just as innocent.

Were you there when Jae did whatever he did? Were you a fly on the wall when he confessed to his brothers what he had done? Were you sitting with them as they realized that their precious leader wouldn't be returning, or when they had to accept the fact, despite the hurt they had to be feeling?

A fan, to me, is a person who will stand by their idol in their darkest hour, not turn your backs the moment trouble appears. We should support them and lend them our shoulders, not force them to stand on their own surrounded by quicksand and allow them to sink. I believe there is a highly well known phrase that sums this all up, and I think that I'll leave off on that note:

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
 
 
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✮ ƒishкingxoxoknlove on March 4th, 2010 06:33 am (UTC)
this is exactly how i feel!
thank you so much for putting it into words (:

some do argue that only a portion of the Hottest are going against the rest of the members of 2PM. i think if there is a portion of remaining Hottest who still support 2PM (like us) should speak up because i personally think the boys need to know about what we think at the moment than the haters.
renichifreakrenichifreak on March 4th, 2010 06:37 am (UTC)
I'm glad that I was able to~

I agree. As I said, I'm not a huge fan...I can only tell you who 5 out of 7 are, and that was only recently, yet I understand how the true fans feel, being a strong supporter of DBSK and Super Junior myself. Also, most of my friends are fans.
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you make me tingle, tingle. ♥: G-Dragon - fishnetelizillabeth on March 4th, 2010 07:34 am (UTC)
This. All of it. ♥
renichifreakrenichifreak on March 4th, 2010 07:36 am (UTC)
The angrier I get, the more proper my writing gets...and I get very blunt and cold...hehehehe

♥♥
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renichifreakrenichifreak on March 4th, 2010 03:52 pm (UTC)
Well, I'm glad that my post gave you the chance to say this all~

IMO, there is no '6pm'

2pm is 2pm, be they 7 members or 6.

I understand a lot about this, since I'm a huge DBSK/Super Junior fan. Maybe a bit moreso, since my fandoms are in danger of complete disbandment...TT^TT

I actually dislike the fanclubs. I am not a Cassie. I am a fan of DBSK. I'm not an ELF. I just love SuJu. I'm not a Green Pea(or we they're called...hehehe), I just adore SS501.
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Jaaanananana.njkecique on March 4th, 2010 01:31 pm (UTC)
This is how I feel too. And I agree WHOLE HEARTEDLY with your last paragraph! Deep down I'm thankful some(or majority?) left 'cause 2PM will know who are their truest fans and who aren't.


I'm quite disappointed with Hottests that left, tbh. :\ 'cause I'm not really a Hottest, I listen to 2PM but their not really my fandom. But this made me think even if this happens to my fandom, I won't turn my backs on them. :(
renichifreak: Yoochun-sexy with hatrenichifreak on March 4th, 2010 03:57 pm (UTC)
I agree...especially since it is happening to my fandom(DBSK/Super Junior), so it makes me especially angry listening to people bastardize them.
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renichifreakrenichifreak on March 4th, 2010 03:41 pm (UTC)
I'm glad that I was able to help~!!!!

I think my objectivity came with age...hehe

Oh, I'm noona to all of them...-___-

I just hate how people could be so callous
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hhlilazntriksta on March 4th, 2010 07:42 pm (UTC)
LOVE THIS. I saw those pictures & thought "wait, what's the scandal??"
renichifreakrenichifreak on March 4th, 2010 07:46 pm (UTC)
I actually haven't seen them personally. I'm going off what my friends explained to me about them...>
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lallyliciouslallylicious on March 4th, 2010 10:13 pm (UTC)
Hon, you speak my mind. I don't want to think bad of Jay either but I don't want to put pressure on him by claiming that he can 'do no wrong'. If the boys forgive him, then so do I. I don't want to demand that his dirty laundry be aired just for a selfish need to satisfy my curiosity.

Spread the love.
renichifreakrenichifreak on March 4th, 2010 10:17 pm (UTC)
I just find it so odd that I see them getting more love ans support froom non-fans like me than from the people who claim to love them...

-___-
neukdae on March 4th, 2010 11:04 pm (UTC)
Hey 1st comment here (and well on LJ too, i'm not that a social person XD)

I've been a 2PM fan since last summer (yeah i fell cause of WB & Dirty Eyed Girl XD). I never considered myself as a Hottest, maybe cause i'm not korean or cause i've never felt the urge to be part of a fanclub ^^.

But with all this happening, even if the name Hottest has a bitter taste cause there are not 7 persons anymore, i think that those who support them, even if they're apart now are mostly true fan, than those who turn their back & hate them.

Concerning the conference, i must admit that i've been hurt & disappointed by the boys.
Honestly, i think that Jay didn't deserve the way he's been treated, especially by friends, and i sincerely think he's innocent
(not that he's a saint, as some of the fans seems to think). I really have the feeling that something's fishy, but unless he speaks up, we'll never know right?

But, beside that, I think that there must be a good reason behind the boys behaviour, it may be threat by JYP, selfishness, the reason is not for me to judge.
We know all they've been through to achieve what they are now, & in respect of their hardwork, i'll keep support them, may they be the greediest people in the world.
It seems sometimes that fans forget that we're not living in wonderland, & that even idols have flaws.
And that may be true that they've been harsh & disrespectful with the fans during the conference, but i won't cast the stone, i can be really harsh too, under pressure and tiredness.

I've also been shocked by the hatred spread by so-called ancient fans... i really don't understand what's the point in hating someone... why not just ignore them?
Everybody would feel some much better.

And the fan account made me really laugh... like OMG, they have girlfriends?!! i can't believe it XD...
What did they except from guys this age?
I'm really happy to know that they manage to enjoy themselves despite their tight schedule. Go Boys !

Sorry for the long comment, but as shiveringclocks said, i've wanted to tell that for a week now, but the bashing or not listening stopped me. (And sorry if i'm hard to understand, i'm tired and, as you may have noticed, english's not my 1st language ^^"")

whatever...(buy me some icecream XD) sorry, i'm lame.

Love & Respect, that's about it, and i hope some fans could remember that ^^

PS : You're not the only Noona to all of them, i am too (and i'm even your Unni ^^)

2PM Fighting, Jay Fighting, DBSK & SuJu Fighting too <3
renichifreakrenichifreak on March 4th, 2010 11:10 pm (UTC)
This is an awesome comment, and as I said to the person you mentioned, I'm glad that this allowed you to get it out~

This is a very sticky situation since no one was there other then those involved...

OMG UNNI~!

/clings and hands you ice cream~
neukdae on March 4th, 2010 11:22 pm (UTC)
And Thanks to you ~<3 i forgot to say that but, it's really comforting to have such comment from other fandoms ^_^ (above all when the boys've been bashed during ceremonies by VIP & BlackJack) ^^


The Korean entertainment is falling apart nowadays... i hope that SuJu & DBSK won"t disband
I really like DBSK & i've just begun discovering SuJu... What a loss it would be...

Keep the Faith<3 Fighting ! ( Buy the way, love your icon, such a hottie JaeJoong :p)


/takes icecream & share it with Wooyoung :p
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Beck: TaecKhunearthequality on March 5th, 2010 02:32 am (UTC)
This is basically what I've been wanting to say. I found it fucking hysterical when some of the people over at 2OD criticized a non-fan for translating the conference. And trying to "clarify". Because apparently listening to and watching idols ON TV gives people the insight to every mood, tone, and tick of an idol and the RIGHT to do this, unlike someone who hasn't.

All they go on about is love and respect and being betrayed and how can they betray Jay. If Jay is the saintly Jaysus they hold him up as, I highly doubt he would want them to be this outrageous and hurtful. On top of that, highjacking their reg numbers and doing god knows what with them. Thank you for your view as a non-fan, because the definition of a fan to me is exactly the same. I started out with other groups, but 2PM's personalities really brought me into KPop and started my love for Korea and they got me through a hard time in my life. I can only do the same for them.

That and I rather be a compassionate moron than a hateful harpy, whatever the outcome of this debacle is.


OH AND DBSK, FIGHTING! <3

Edited at 2010-03-05 02:37 am (UTC)
renichifreakrenichifreak on March 5th, 2010 02:46 am (UTC)
what's 20D???

Non-fans are non biased. I'd think they'd be the best ones to do things like that

I love them musically...but I just never got into the fandom. I found SS501 before them...^__^

and I got into KPop with DBSK and SuJu...

I agree with you completely



SORRY~!!!! That was an rp journal...><

DBSK FIGHTING~!!!!
Beck: TaecKhunearthequality on March 5th, 2010 02:55 am (UTC)
It's alright, stuff happens. XD
2OD is the largest international One Day forum, but they mostly leaned towards 2PM until recently. That's what I've been saying, they've been saying they're being non-biased in their translating and I want to believe them, but everyone over there is very passionate about their opinions. Right, wrong, or just plain insane.

Fandom-wise, it's more of the fic for me. I'm all over the place in KFandom in general. I came across SS501, probably before (definitely before I think, they pop up whenever I YT Big Bang).

I think it's unfair to everyone involved to have this much drama over something as simple as music. Same with DBSK and SuJu. Basics are basics, companies need to figure that out. If you mistreat/neglect your artists, there goes your cashcow ANYWAY! I hope Idols, particularly SME's, realize there is more to life and you shouldn't be afraid of psychotic fangirls. I do want some of them to have babies, this century, damnit! So I can coo over their parental instincts. Argh. Random blurb there, ignore. XD

Edited at 2010-03-05 02:56 am (UTC)
Re: It's alright, stuff happens. XD - renichifreak on March 5th, 2010 02:59 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: It's alright, stuff happens. XD - earthequality on March 5th, 2010 03:10 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: It's alright, stuff happens. XD - renichifreak on March 5th, 2010 03:13 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: It's alright, stuff happens. XD - earthequality on March 5th, 2010 03:40 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: It's alright, stuff happens. XD - renichifreak on March 5th, 2010 03:53 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: It's alright, stuff happens. XD - earthequality on March 5th, 2010 03:57 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: It's alright, stuff happens. XD - renichifreak on March 5th, 2010 04:00 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: It's alright, stuff happens. XD - earthequality on March 5th, 2010 04:04 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: It's alright, stuff happens. XD - renichifreak on March 5th, 2010 04:07 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: It's alright, stuff happens. XD - earthequality on March 5th, 2010 04:08 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: It's alright, stuff happens. XD - renichifreak on March 5th, 2010 04:10 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: It's alright, stuff happens. XD - earthequality on March 5th, 2010 04:20 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: It's alright, stuff happens. XD - renichifreak on March 5th, 2010 04:23 am (UTC) (Expand)
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Chelsea: pic#98219215shuuseieki on March 6th, 2010 09:52 am (UTC)
Where do you live, because I seriously need to hop on a plane and fly over to wherever you are and give you a humongous!hug, because you just put nearly everything I've always wanted to say since this whole thing exploded into words. I can't type a proper comment right now, but god, ILUSM.

It was completely uncalled for how the Hottests are randomly going around spreading ridiculous rumours and blowing up the whole issue in general. It's awful enough for the remaining six to know the Jaebum's not coming back, and you're kicking them when you're down? At this time when they need support and love from all of us, to remind them of the beautiful relationship they've shared, you abandon them? How does not supporting the present 2PM help bring Jaebum back?
renichifreakrenichifreak on March 6th, 2010 06:43 pm (UTC)
Right~ It doesn't help~!

If I'm not mistaken, Jaebum left originally to protect the others, right? I doubt his reasons have changed this time. All they're doing is hurting him by hating the others.


I live in New York, bb~!!!!! Shall I meet you at the airport?? :DDDDD
Chelsea: pic#98542092shuuseieki on March 7th, 2010 06:31 am (UTC)
Yes, that's what the other six members said, and honestly, I believe them. But the Hottests creating all this fuss are saying that they're lying and using that as an excuse to soften our hearts and that they actually are happy he left. If that isn't the most ridiculous rumour ever, I don't know what is. And yes, bb, exactly! They call themselves Jaebum fans, but aren't respecting his decision to leave and the reason behind it, instead terrorizing the other six and scaring them out of their minds? I just hope that when they appear in Thailand come April, they won't get bricked or anything. D:

OHBUTYESYOUSHOULD :DDDD

(I just took a peek at your LJ, and I see that we've got loads in common! D'you mind me adding you as a friend? I'm Chelsea, and you? =])
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